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Poosy Marauder

Master Don Juan
posted 09-16-2001 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poosy Marauder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cybersheet.com/29reasons/foreword.html

This is the second of Ray Gordon's ebooks.

Well worth a read...and it's free.

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Sting

Master Don Juan
posted 09-16-2001 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, although it isn't as well written as "Outfoxing the Foxes." My favorite reason is reason 26.

Paraphrased: Why should a nice guy allow a fox to give an "all you can eat buffet" to jerks while she is younger (18-27), and then let himself get stuck with the check when she's older and less attractive?

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It could happen to you, just like it happened to me, there is simply no immunity, there's no guarantee...

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Sir_Chancealot

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posted 09-16-2001 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sir_Chancealot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gentlemen,

WE HAVE A WINNER.

His listing is LONG, but worth EVERY MINUTE that you give it. It will resolve you unlike anything that you have seen before.

I LOVE it! Maybe because I am older, and I see exactly what he is saying. Younger guys, please read this, and digest what he is saying. It is SOOOOO true.
If any of you have doubts or feel guilt about being a DJ, this will cure it once and for all.

IP: 206.141.244.47

Poosy Marauder

Master Don Juan
posted 09-17-2001 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poosy Marauder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

In his other book "Outfoxing the Foxes"
at:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library/foxes/intro.htmlt

Gordon talks about CUPID scores, which I guess in a nut shell could best be described as a rating which we give to a potential partner. DJs will be familiar with the 1 to 10 rating score. This is similar.

In his article he talks about the weightings which men and women give to certain aspects in making their decision on a rating score.

According to Gordon , men (as a group) rate women

80% based on physical looks
10% on intelligence
5% on status
5% on personality

This sounds about right to me.

Women, apparently, rate men:

55% based on physical looks
20% on intelligence
20% on status
5% on personality

I believe he might be overating looks and intelligence and underating status and personality. If intelligence were that important, all the maths and science geeks would have more babes than they do.
Similarly, we all know the ordinary looking musician or businessman (status)would has women dripping for him.

What do other DJs think about these weightings?

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sosuave.com

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posted 09-17-2001 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sosuave.com   Click Here to Email sosuave.com     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Tips forum.

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BigBill

Master Don Juan
posted 09-17-2001 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigBill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked outfoxing the foxes

but this is even better. Very good read. The guys who are trying to dis the author IMO are full of sheit. I don't care what his credendials may or may not be, its all in the product and the product is good. VERY good.

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Sociopath31

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posted 09-17-2001 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sociopath31   Click Here to Email Sociopath31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cool

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Cramias

Don Juan
posted 09-17-2001 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cramias   Click Here to Email Cramias     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not a regular reader of this forum, but I felt compelled to step in and say something in this case. I don't want to see any more people steered in the wrong direction.

Ray Gordon has admitted in the ASF newsgroup several times that he suffers from bipolar disorder. This mental illness can lead to serious delusions. I know this because my mother is bipolar, and I have had to deal with it my whole life.

Here are some quotes from posts Ray made in the wake of the WTC attack, to give you some idea of the depth of his mental illness:

"No significant loss of life in those towers... not a one."

"It is so PATHETIC how we are making angels out of some of the worst corporate criminals in America just because they suffered a little bombing."

"Do not mourn the trader trash."

"All I have said is that most of the victims who worked in that building were not moral creatures. In fact, many of the very powerful types who died in that blast used to say "let God deal with them." I did. God has."

"It's not my fault that Bin Laden unwittingly took out a large segment of American TRASH, and while I'd never do something like that, I have to say those victims were anything but angels. They were greedy, capitalistic employment discriminators with no regard for the civil rights of anyone but themselves. Looks like GOD wanted me around and not them. Who am I to question the lord?"
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Now, some of the advice in Ray's books is valid. The reason for that is that Ray has been reading ASF for many years, and to create his books he takes the common ASF advice and rephrases it. Unfortunately, the advice is filtered through his twisted worldview. You would be better off reading the original ASF posts through fastseduction.com.

Oh yeah, and he has herpes. How proficient of a pickup artist do you think someone can be if they have herpes?

Chris

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Sting

Master Don Juan
posted 09-17-2001 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps you're right about Ray Gordon, but he managed to put togther, much like the DJ Bible, a well-organized reference for dealing with women. That's all I've been looking for over the past several months.

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It could happen to you, just like it happened to me, there is simply no immunity, there's no guarantee...

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CobraGT

Master Don Juan
posted 09-18-2001 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CobraGT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cramias,

How did you learn of those comments? ASF newsgroup? I was going to read the document, but I am suddenly sickened from reading those quotes. Very disturbing.

CobraGT

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BigBill

Master Don Juan
posted 09-18-2001 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigBill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I don't care what his politics are

how much herpes he has or how bipolar he is. the books are good. yes he tends to rant sometimes in them and yes he is a bit of a mysoginist. but the books are powerful, compelling reads with great advice. And if he got most of it from that forum, who cares?

and since when did having herpes or any other disease stop someone from being a pickup artist? Hell, at least it proves he isn't a virgin.

If he said those things about the WTC disaster then those are sh1tty things to say and think. I feel capable of reading his books on seduction and still maiking up my own mind about other subjects. I think everyone else here is too.

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Lexomatic

Master Don Juan
posted 09-18-2001 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexomatic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just my dumb luck. The link to the ebook is broken. Either that or Ray's gone commercial in the last day or so. Anyone know where I can find a copy?

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xyzzy

Don Juan
posted 09-18-2001 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for xyzzy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like it went pay site. And I was just reading it for free yesterday! lol
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html

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AlfredB18

Master Don Juan
posted 09-19-2001 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlfredB18   Click Here to Email AlfredB18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cramias:
I am not a regular reader of this forum, but I felt compelled to step in and say something in this case. I don't want to see any more people steered in the wrong direction.

Yeah, I'd rather steer away from someone who has cyber-stalked Dominique Moceanu and been taken to court for that and just pick up "his" advice from the websites he took the stuff from, quite personally.

So he wrapped the advice up in a nice little package....big deal.

Gordon Roy Parker (Yes, that "Ray") lives in his mom's house still, for crying out loud....but it's his advice, right?

Oh well, it's not surprising that he went paysite. He's gotta' get himself out of debt with cut-and-paste advice somehow...

Update: Here's why "Ray" went paysite. Veeeery convincing.

"My site's a pay site again anyway. I got sick of people praising it privately
and being afraid to speak up publicly."

Easy there, "Ray". Myopia, I mean, self-promotion is NOT the best way to down the followers....

[This message has been edited by AlfredB18 (edited 09-19-2001).]

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MorteoLX

Don Juan
posted 09-19-2001 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteoLX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you point us in the direction of his cut&pastes by any chance? I wanna keep my $20.

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Reality

Don Juan
posted 09-20-2001 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reality   Click Here to Email Reality     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice guys get laid by nice girls-unfortunately there are too few on both sides so the chances of them actually meeting up is significantly decreased. So much for optimism, huh? LOL!

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BigBill

Master Don Juan
posted 09-20-2001 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigBill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No hon,

Nice guys generally don't get laid PERIOD! The only exception is if the guy is extremely rich, good looking, or both.

I'm lving proof. In the 2-3 years or so before I found this site, I was a total nice guy, respectful, polite, considerate and all I ever got from women was used and dumped. In the last 3 months SINCE I found this site and started being more of a self-centered, decietful, disrespectful turd, I've had three different girls and never seem to have a problem lining up a date or two every weekend except 'which girl do I pick this week?'

No one is ever going to convince me that ANY women are into nice guys.

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Reality

Don Juan
posted 09-20-2001 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reality   Click Here to Email Reality     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, BigBill and I would never presume to attempt to change your mind. Whatever works for you works. The sad thing is, these girls who seem to want A-holes in retrospect are actually wanting men who will confirm their views about themselves. They are insecure and have low self-esteem. They want a man to basically say "yeah, you're a worthless B*tch because that's what they actually believe they are. I am sorry if you have never met a woman confident enough to believe in herself. If I knew where one was-I would tell you for certain. Women care too much about what people think and they base their identities on those same values! I know-it's incredibly stupid. No one or no society should dictate who you are. These "women" are vulnerable and granted easy lays, they strive to meet approval from others always but never seek their approval of themselves. As far as nice guys and them getting laid-I haven't met very nice guys. My husband is nice "at heart" but even he can be an a-hole at times and I am "nice at heart" but can also be a raving B*tch when my feelings get hurt. So it depends on your definition of nice-guys can act like total jerks, but inside they are actually gentle. Girls can act really emotional and *****y (especially PMS) but at the same time act vulnerable. It's only one of the many disguises people wear for protection. Men and women alike.

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BigBill

Master Don Juan
posted 09-21-2001 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigBill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny.

You say just what any other woman would say about 'the kind of girls who go after jerks'. like if it was some sort of abberant behavior that only certain mentally screwed up girls engage in.

Well, ok. Then why, i wonder, are there so many jerk-lovers that no true jerk ever goes without high quality ass for very long. i also wonder why these 'confident women' seem to be nearly as common in everyday life as oh, say... leprachauns?

hmmm... interesting question. Maybe they are all 300 pound lesbians.

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Reality

Don Juan
posted 09-21-2001 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reality   Click Here to Email Reality     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You just figured it out! Congratulations! From the most beautious to the butt-ugly, there are not very many women at all who feel secure about themselves! It varies in degrees though. I'm sure you've heard before "women are their own worst critics"-well a truer statement couldn't be said. We are so highly competitive, we even compete within ourselves. We strive for perfection all the while knowing it will never be achieved. For example, myself, I like to think I have more confidence than most, but only in certain areas of my achievments. I am confident that I am intelligent, a wonderful artist, quite humorous when I want to be, a loving and wonderful mother, an overachiever at work, etc.....But in other areas, such as my physical attributes, I am quick to point out my own flaws-things that could be better, things I don't like, "why couldn't I be a blonde?", "Why couldn't I have big boobs?", etc...We compare ourselves to each other and most times find ourselves lacking. Every woman has it-every woman does it to some degree or another. If there are any flaws at all, we will find it and dwell on it until it drives us insane or we "fix it". THEN, we find the next flaw. The competitive force within our gender drives us to constantly seek "perfection". Is it no wonder that we suffer low self-esteem? Is it no wonder we always seek compliments to reassure us we are improving? Is it no wonder it drives both sexes crazy? YES! But, this is what women do-this search to be "better" than the girl next door.

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Ray Gordon

Don Juan
posted 01-06-2002 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ray Gordon   Click Here to Email Ray Gordon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is Ray Gordon.

To clear the record on a few things:

Any WTC comments attributed to me are taken way out of context, and related to an existing political dispute over sexual harassment on Wall Street. They are a convenient tool of those who like rival products to mine and don't want to discuss the relative merits.

Having herpes means one has to work MUCH HARDER to seduce women, so I say it makes one a BETTER pickup-artist simply because they have to "catch more fish" to get themselves a meal.

Where I live really doesn't matter. I live with my family because we WORK together, and because we all like the area, and it cuts costs and gives me more TIME to do what I want. Only golddiggers really care about your home life, and you don't want them anyway, or so you say. I live in an area where sublets are cheap and easy to come by, and it pays to get my mail in one place. I often do live alone, just not on long-term leases, and being based at "home" lets me negotiate much better rents when I do move.

I never stalked Dominique Moceanu. She told me that she had been abused in 1994, and a number of people made that story up in an attempt to discredit me that failed when she ran away.

I prefer to be judged on my work, not who I am, which really shouldn't matter. Men who use my methods properly will do just fine with women, and I appreciate much of the positive feedback which has appeared on this board.

Do note that anyone who wants to mess with my copyright will regret it. The penalties are quite stiff and can include prison time in some situations.

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"Never again is what you swore the time before."

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Keymaster of Goza

Master Don Juan
posted 01-07-2002 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keymaster of Goza     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hi Ray,
Welcome to the forum.

Any chance you could post the last 19 chapters of your book for us?

I only printed out the first 10 when it was free.


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IntermediateDonJuaner

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posted 01-10-2002 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntermediateDonJuaner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have two versions of his books.

It is very well said and I really wish I could have the time to read everything in it but unfortunately, I have to stop always because of work and etc...

Anyway, all the DJ'S must read these two books. It's a must for every budding DJ!

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