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Topic: The Perfect Don Juan
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Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2000 07:23 PM
Hey people,It's very hard to answer everyone so I'll say the following: If you give a girl YOUR number you are waiting for her answer. You are only fooling yourself by saying you don't care if she calls. That's bull. That is a PASSIVE approach anyway. Women prefer the DIRECT approach. Eve n if a guy is confident the women wil l see you as PASSIVE and afraid to ask her for the number. Very few men say 'what's your number?' right out like that. That's what they like. That's a turn-on. Not 'call me' honey . A women will think she isn't very attractive that way. Dizgal said "she would FORGET about a guy" if he waited seven days to call her. MOST women only give out their home phone numbers to the guys that are VERY interesting to them. They will remember you. So don' t believe her. However, SOME women (Dizgal?) do give out DOZENS of numbers and 'forget' the names of the guys that called. Here's what you do: Anti-Dump: Hi Dizgal. This is Anti- Dump. Dizgal: Anti-dump WHO? Anti-Dump: Sorry, I must have the WRONG number. (hang up). If she 'forgets' hang up and move on. The purpose of the above 'guidelines' is NOT to get jerked around. Only a women that is REALLY interested in you will go out with you. You hope they 'forget'. That shows LOW interest. Better to get out EARLY than to have her cheat later in the relationship. If you follow the above, like Tomazu said SOME good ones will get away. But you will almost never get burned. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To the Wondering Man: show a little less attention and keep trying with the same girl. AD
[This message has been edited by Anti-Dump (edited 06-12-2000).] IP: 209.240.200.134 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2000 07:40 PM
As far the "PHONE NUMBER" thing goes, I guess to exchange numbers, if it pleases you! As thing goes, Im sticking to "getting her number". I know she has been through all the sh*t, and you know what the difference is, the difference is she does'nt have the power to take the 'iniative', only we (Men)do!(BIG DON taught me that!). Then again i might be wrong and it is akward for a women to call us first. Sitting there waiting for something to happen is NOT POWER! You know what happens when she just SIT there and WAIT... well, NOTHING! Only TAKING the INIATIVE and GOING into ACTION is POWER! It's good to WAIT, it signifies that your PATIENT,yada yada yada! NOTHING happens unless you MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN! (Trust me, relating to my experiences this year, i know) They(Women) have some POWER but the in the end, it's up to us to TAKE the INIATIVE and BUST A MOVE! POWER is not DORMANT, its in MOTION, i guess? If you still don't understand then your on your own. BIG DON i miss ya BRO! I need to you opinion to whether the logic to what im sayin is right. And also this bro needs some help too!-PENZILLA  IP: 216.118.12.91 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2000 07:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by tomazu: you surely have a point here, but I have to agree with antidump; because there are also girls out there who are not that decisive; they might have mixed feelings for you; now with antidumps methods you will surely miss out on some of them;
You're saying that indecisive girls wouldn't give out their number? I wouldn't be so sure. Some of the friend-girls I used to go to clubs with would give out a number just to get the guy to shut up and go away. Personally, this has led me to believe that getting the number doesn't mean squat as far as interest level goes ... The advantage of giving out your number is that it's much less work: you simply give it out and don't wait for the call. An additional advantage is that it acts a screening mechanism because mildly interested or uninterested girls eliminate themselves by not calling, so you don't waste any more time with them. But you're probably unlikely to bag any shy or insecure women with this approach ... ------------------ Success lies on the far side of failure. - T. J. Watson IP: 128.210.251.11 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2000 08:24 PM
Leo brought up an important point. What about the FAKE number? Does that mean the number is unreliable for interest? No!You never ask a women for her number after more than thirty minutes after talking to her. The shorter time the better. The guys that get the FAKE numbers are pests that hang around too long. She doesn't have to know you at all for you to ask for the number. The date is where she learns about you and judges you. You talk for just a little while then ask. Then you LEAVE where ever you are. You are a man of mystery. Not a bigmouth and pest. AD IP: 209.240.200.104 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2000 09:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Anti-Dump: Leo brought up an important point. What about the FAKE number? Does that mean the number is unreliable for interest? No!You never ask a women for her number after more than thirty minutes after talking to her. The shorter time the better. The guys that get the FAKE numbers are pests that hang around too long. She doesn't have to know you at all for you to ask for the number.
Dude, some of those guys were in and out of there in under fifteen. It's actually fun to watch when you're not on the receiving end! :P
------------------ Success lies on the far side of failure. - T. J. Watson IP: 128.210.251.11 |
Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2000 09:50 PM
AD, no disrespect intended-honestly, this aint no science. you are dealing with humans and emotions how can you possibly say you never ask a chick for her number after 30 minutes of talkin to her. why 30 minutes why not 15 how do yo you come up with 30. a lot of your rules have minimum and maximum amounts attached to them like we are dealing with a calculation or a computer or something. these are people and every situation is different. it seems ludicrous to me to attach these numbers to when something should and should not be done when it comes to meeting a girl, it sounds like something Chest Rockwell would say in Boogie Nights. there seems to be no emotion in your methods only calculations. something else you said about calling the girl and her not immediately remembering who you are so you promptly say i have the wrong number and hang up, i just can not comprehend this-by you own rules this is what you did 1. you barely talked to her when you met her, a few minutes at the most 2.you did not tell her too much of nuthin about you 3. you wait at least 4 days to call her for the first stime 4. you call her and say your name-a name which she prolly only heard you say once days ago and if she doesn't immediately recognize you than it's over because chances are she would cheat on you later. all of this seems ridiculous to me. it sounds to me that you have been burned badly in the past (as have I) and you have came up with all of these rules and regulations to protect your feelings or to make sure that the whole ordeal goes 100% of your way. you are eliminating human nature in you whole equation. here is an example: i dam near guarantee that you would advise some-one this; if a chick calls you for the first time and says hi this is Susie, never say oh hi Susie how are you doing.because this would make it sound as if you have been waiting for her to call. you would prolly tell them to say: Susie? Susie who, refresh my memory, but if a girl does that to you than hang up. PS. you guys don't have to follow any of these rules and you can still get girls. we are just getting down to individual techniques and what works for us and to Penzilla- you have me wrong i DO get it that is why i got strong opinions in honor of my friend AD's previous post and his "man of mystery" words I will be changing my name to Austin Powers! IP: 205.188.192.158 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-13-2000 09:37 AM
Actually, when a girl calls you, you should be very happy to hear from her. The conversation should be short, upbeat, and should impress on her that her calling you was a major bright point in your day but you have things to do. Then, end the conversation before it dies. "Thank you very much for calling. It was really great to hear from you. I have a ton of stuff to attend to so I better get started. I'll talk to you later. Bye."IP: 207.27.254.6 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-13-2000 10:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Low Self Esteem: PS. you guys don't have to follow any of these rules and you can still get girls. we are just getting down to individual techniques and what works for us.
Keep in mind that one of the reasons there's a lot of flexibility in the rules is because there's many different types of girls out there. Every time you apply a particular strategy, you appeal to some of them while eliminating the rest. I have no doubt that AD's rigid rules are successful with a certain subset of women, just like "The Rules" are successful in ensnaring a certain type of man. What bothers me is that the type of woman they would work on is not likely the type of woman I would want. I think this self-selection is something we don't consider much on this forum. In fact, one of the things I dislike about this forum is that there's a lot of "inbreeding" - the same methods are championed over and over again, and thus gain credibility. People don't often stop to think if these methods attract the kind of girl they want ... ------------------ Success lies on the far side of failure. - T. J. Watson [This message has been edited by Leo (edited 06-13-2000).] IP: 128.210.251.11 |
Don Juan
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posted 06-13-2000 03:53 PM
Anti-Dump: Funny little scenario, but not exactly what I was talking about when I stated that I "forget" about the guy who decides to call me after 7 days. What I mean by forget was move-on, not like forget as in a type of memory loss. Actually, I'm pretty picky about who I give my number. Let me put it this way....If a guy says he's going to call me in a few days, I expect to hear from him in a few days. If he doesn't I think: a) he doesn't know what "a few days" means, which means his vocabulary is lacking and therefore would not have the capacity to keep up with me in a normal conversation; b)Is to lazy to pick-up the phone, so he probably would be not only lazy but generally boring; c) knew he wasn't going to call me in a few days, and said it anyway, so he's a liar....; d)is playing games, in which case I don't want to or have the inclination to deal with that kind of crap because I have better things to do then play mind games.In all these scenarious the guy doesn't come off to well . And it doesn't mean that I had a low interest in the first place, because I wouldn't have given my number out if I didn't have an interest. What it shows is that I value myself and my time enough not to feel the need to waste my time playing games. Because If I wanted to play games I would play monopoly or road rash(love that game). ------------------ quote: Love is stronger than pride
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Master Don Juan
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posted 06-13-2000 08:47 PM
I guess i've used the word "Strictly" wrongly. But it's up to you guys. Those codes, those rules are rules. They are not laws but methods and discipline of getting the Honey Bunny you want! If you don't like it and if you think it does'nt work, then don't use it! Not all rules, codes, laws, and methods are perfect! None of them, because they are made by imperfect humans like us! I don't wanna waste my time or energy on debating this thing! If you don't like then DON'T USE IT! PERIOD! It's up to you to make it work and MAKE some SENSE about IT, Dang it!-PENZILLA  IP: 209.144.226.148 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-13-2000 09:33 PM
Dizgal,Any guy that says "I'll call you" is doing it all wrong. I say "what's your home phone numer?" . After I get it I say "well it was nice meeting you. I've got to go". Then I do a little SILENT wave and LEAVE. I never say 'I'll call you' because women NEVER believe it. And all the other guys do that. I am DIFFERENT. The women doesn't know if I'll call at all. You said yourself you are very picky. I say you would wait nine days because the guy must be VERY special. If the guy DIDN'T say he would call and you thought he was another TOM CRUISE, Dizgal, YOU WOULD GO ON A DATE WITH HIM! AD [This message has been edited by Anti-Dump (edited 06-13-2000).] IP: 209.240.200.104 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-13-2000 11:51 PM
right on buddy im sick and tired of all this argueing. its a shame when all people do on here is criticize other peoples posts. i like to see positive things, not negative.IP: 206.98.91.135 |
Don Juan
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posted 06-14-2000 12:47 AM
MaMo, Call it what you want but this is a friggin message board, it's for people to post their opinions. Better yet lets all just reply to every post and agree with everything every one else says. That would be exciting and something to look forward to. How can you call someone having a difference of opinion negative? I guess you are negative then for criticising the posts you are speaking of.------------------ International Man Of Mystery Formerly, Low Self Esteem IP: 152.163.204.214 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-14-2000 10:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by MaMo: right on buddy im sick and tired of all this argueing. its a shame when all people do on here is criticize other peoples posts. i like to see positive things, not negative.
Actually, you are the first person to be truly negative. And if I just wanted to "see positive things", I wouldn't come to a message board; I can delude myself perfectly well inside my own head. I'm glad we finally have some differing opinions; this board is often much too incestuous for my comfort ... Anytime you see someone preaching something with absolute certainty, it's a good bet that they don't have a clue what they're talking about ... ------------------ Success lies on the far side of failure. - T. J. Watson IP: 128.210.251.11 |
Don Juan
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posted 06-14-2000 03:29 PM
All I have to say is AD, that was one of the most useful posts I have ever read. Thanks!IP: 24.95.38.227 |
Don Juan
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posted 06-14-2000 03:32 PM
Anti-Dump: Actually, Tom Cruise doesn't do it for me....he's too short.( I'm 5"9) Honestlly, I don't think I would go out someone who waits 9 days, because it shows lack of interest, of course, unless they have a believable reason, like they were out of town or something like that. I think overall it would depend on each individual situation.IP: 206.171.223.2 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-14-2000 03:40 PM
there you go again, reading between the lines when there are no lines. i never said dont post your opinion. what i mean by positive is saying something like this "i understand what your saying, but heres my take on this situation". when you say this there is no arguement, you are only stating your opinion. instead of taking their words and making something out of them that they did not mean. most of what ppl say is more something like this "your wrong!!! you are stupid for even making a post like that!" i prefer seeing success stories and opinions over negative criticizing.IP: 206.98.91.135 |
Don Juan
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posted 06-01-2001 04:42 PM
DJ's need to read this!IP: 205.166.161.61 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2001 02:09 AM
:O what a great post ... don't laugh guys, know it is an old one , but I read it just now !Now I know how my bf has sooooo much control over me ... maybe he has got a way to this thread and practiced it on me  IP: 195.219.49.200 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2001 02:19 AM
I am posting a reply again only to put a stress on the fact that if you wanna get a girl , just do EXACTLY what AD says in this post ... IT WORKS , believe me , it does ... I am a girl , I know what I am talking about .That is exactly what will make a girl want you ...BUT ( and here is a BIG "but" )be careful not to overdo those advices, cause at a point like this , if you overdo , you might lose the girl for good ... just the opinion of a girl.
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Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2001 02:40 AM
Anti-Dump: Great post! I think back on all of the times in my life when I @%$&'ed up because I didn't act immediately. Instead I had to think, weigh my options, etc., in which case women read me as the spineless orifice that I was.Low Self-esteem: I must disagree with your take on moving in; I think Anti-dump is right on target here. The stats show that couples who live together beore marriage are more likely to divorce. When you live together, she's sees you warts and all, which is the exact, diametric opposite of challenge and mystery. In fact, a Penn State study stated that women who lived with men were more "verbally aggressive," meaning that they b*$?#ed more. A woman who lives with a guy is hell-bent on getting maried, and will turn the screws until he does. If you're already nailng her, why do you need her shrill, nagging voice telling you where and when you can go anywhere, or carping every time you notice a chesty blonde? [This message has been edited by Sgt. Ray (edited 06-12-2001).] IP: 198.81.17.59 |
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posted 06-12-2001 02:56 PM
A-D, Here's a question for you. in your origional post, you said,"A Don Juan never gives flowers, cards, or gifts for the first two months."But, I read elsewhere on this site that you should always bring something to the door to give to your date. Could you please clear this up for me, thanks. ~The Mighty Eagle of War IP: 64.12.103.184 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-12-2001 07:24 PM
I know this is a really old post, and my question might get ignored... but do you guys really think you have to wait 3 months before you tell her anything about yourself...I know 3 months goes by quick, buts it seems a little long... IP: 205.188.192.172 |
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posted 06-16-2001 08:11 PM
Whoa.. all the Master Don Juans having their debate here. Nice post. Couple of Master Don Juanitas too. Nice to have some women advice so we could hear the story from both sides.. but if too many women come here.. these advice and guidelines wouldn't work anymore  IP: 202.188.56.38 |
Master Don Juan
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posted 06-17-2001 04:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by war_eagle60: A-D, Here's a question for you. in your origional post, you said,"A Don Juan never gives flowers, cards, or gifts for the first two months."But, I read elsewhere on this site that you should always bring something to the door to give to your date. Could you please clear this up for me, thanks. ~The Mighty Eagle of War
Basically, don't overindulge in the trinkets for the chick. Get one carnation for the first date and that's all for a while. The key is ONE. I showered a few girls with gardens of flowers and other junk, and I got "LJBF"ed. I give another girl one rose for Valentines day and even her mom loves me from that night forward. It helps to have mom behind you when it comes to inluencing her daughter in your favor. IP: 64.199.56.199 | |